Domestic Terrorism in a Nutshell Revisited

Dag nabit... and here I'd planned to write a quirky post about island rats.  Instead, I got wrapped up into a "discourse" with some apparently bona-fide white supremacists--and I figured my readers would find the conversation both entertaining and eye-opening.  It all started when I joined Blogcritics.org as a guest columnist the other day.  For my first article, I posted a duplicate copy of my, "Domestic Terrorism in a Nutshell," I wrote here on 19 Oct.  Frankly, I'm surprised it didn't generate more commentary on Diary of the Mad Pigeon--hate groups are usually a sore point with many folks.  But on Blogcritics.org?  Hooooo boy, did it get absurd!  See for yourself:

"Just to update you, the ELF is in fact responsible for several deaths in the UK, even if they haven't managed to kill anyone yet here in the US."

Fair enough; even MOGS wasn't aware of that!  Definitely a good argument for classifying the ELF as an international Special Interest terrorist group.

"The National Socialist Movement has never committed an act of violence to further its political ends. Thus, it is no more "terrorist" then, say, yout class and yourself."

Damn, a no sh[PIGEONED]t member of a hate group, possibly from the NSM itself (yes, he said, "yout").  Things are about to get interesting.  My response:

"The National Socialist Movement has never committed an act of violence to further its political ends.  Nor have many of the domestic groups that the FBI tracks. To wit, the vast majority or militia groups have never taken up arms against their respective state or federal authorities. Regardless, such groups are followed by state and federal law enforcement agencies.  As another example, in Dec 02 the FBI nabbed a NSM member in Wisconsin on firearms charges... and were tipped off because he was training neo-Nazi teens as young as 13 to use firearms (as in small unit tactics, not for plinking varmints). Thus you don't always need an act to draw attention to yourself and your group creed; intent is just as effective."

So much for my response...

"Every time anyone studies the subject of White Supremacy you further our cause.  I'm quite sure you did not mention to your class the fact behind the NSM deciding to pay the neighborhood a visit in the first place, eh?  The reason being that black gangs passed out fliers to White owned homes demanding that the Whites move or face death. The cops did not want anything to do with it so several people in the area asked the NSM to come to their aid. All your students are not the brain dead liberals that you wish they were. I am contacted all the time by students that have just been taught a class by some liberal piece of shit putting down White Pride as racism. Believe me, the majority of White students see right through this agenda. It is nothing more than social engineering and one day it will backfire on all involved.  - 88, August Kreis; aryan-nations"

My return fire:

"Wow... an actual 88 specimen commenting on my topic!  Much obliged for you very thoughtful and obviously well-researched statement. 'cept the part about liberal, considering I'm a card-carrying Republican. I should add, then, my class was a room of military professionals (and I'm one myself) who are required to have a full understanding of domestic and international "groups." I can't help your group is part of the curriculum for numerous law enforcement agencies, from which I pulled most of my training aids; but you're more than welcome to discuss removal from their lists if you wish to do so."

[NOTE: 88 - The eighth letter of the alphabet is "H." Eight two times signifies "HH, " shorthand for the Nazi greeting, "Heil Hitler." 88 is often found on hate group flyers, in both the greetings and closing comments of letters written by neo-Nazis, and in e-mail addresses.] 

In addition, I dug up a little dirt on this August Kreis fellow, "He puffs a lot of smoke, and tries to get a lot of people excited and worried about him...Truth be told, he's hardly got any following around here."

But I digress... poking a stick in the anthill only further aggravated my target:

"No, you go right ahead and keep us on your lists. It's not as if we are at all worried about being scrutinized and we do place ourselves as opponents of the U.S. government as we see it's control by Zionist occupational forces. We realize that quite possibly one day in the future those involved in the U.S. military are going to have to decide whether or not they are going to cross the line of the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 because we feel that this corrupt government is setting the stage to try and use it's military forces against it's citizens. If that be the case you will find yourself at odds with many a veteran trained by the very government it now finds itself at odds with! Bottom line, it won't be pretty. I personally have always prayed for a military coop of those that realize how corrupt and upside down this system has become. But now realize just how much influence these Zionist Jews have over the entire U.S. military and how many old school officers have been forcibly retired that would have otherwise thrown a monkey wrench into much of ZOG's plans.  In any case I was under the impression for whatever reason that this discussion was at a university level. I think I'll turn my good friend James Wickstrom of Sheriff's Posse Comitatus fame on to this blog. Maybe some of you would like to get your copies of "Blood in the Face" autographed by him?  For Faith, Folk & Family, - August Kreis"

        Followed by a fellow named, "SS:"


"ZOG?  Everyone knows it's the lizard people who control everything, AK.  You're just making it easier for the aliens to invade Toledo.  Just like they planned to all along..."

I received the latter two messages right before blacksmith class yesterday, so I didn't have time to formulate a suitably witty yet appropriately scathing remark; indeed, it was so late by the time I got home I didn't have the motivation to write anyway.  But I stewed over it while trying to read a few pages of John Adams before roosting, and simply could not concentrate I was so flabbergasted that people could actually believe such hateful dogma.  I didn't feel much better when I awoke to my coffee this morning, either.  My plan, then was to fire off a reply today... but I let MOGS read the whole exchange first.  Without missing a beat, MOGS replied on his own accord; applying his own New Joisey wit and saving me about 10 minutes worth of writing in the process...

"Come son of Jor-el, KNEEL BEFORE ZOG!"  I think it's absolutely hilarious that you use the SAME rhetoric the Islamofascist terrorists use in their campaigns about Israel and the United States in general. "Zionist Occupation Forces" - I believe the last time I saw that very phrase in print was a Hizbollah tract.  Keep going dude, you're just self-ID'ing and making my job so much easier.

PS - You might want to study up on a poli sci term called the horseshoe theory - it states that the the most extreme ends of the spectrum are actually more alike than unlike (i.e. compare white power groups to, say, the 5 Percenters)- if you go to either end, you just end up popping out on the other side.  By the way pal, I've READ the Turner Diaries, I know about the Northwest Imperative, and other slices of the White Supremacist agenda. Your solution to the problems you harp on is not one lick better than the black extremists, the anarchists, the communists, or the eco-terrorists.   You are all the same. You just help ensure that I operate in a target-rich environment and that I won't need to look for a job for a long, long time."

It took MOGS all of about 30 seconds to crank out this blistering copy; he then made an evil, toothy grin, winked, and went back to his own desk... and took a casual drink from his coffee mug as he strolled out.  I think he was pleased.

What can I say?  It takes all sorts of people... and my job is to sort out the sorts.

Comments

[Chairman Tao]

I guess the problem here is deciding how many of these people are sad little men sitting in their attics, vitriolic but harmless, and how many are a serious threat.

Reading this drivel I would presume they mostly fall into the former category - but I guess you can't be too careful.

What's this nonesense about the ELF being responsible for some deaths in the UK ?
Puffed up bravado and patently untrue.

Biggest single issue group over here are the ALF (Animal Liberation Front). They've beat up some scientists - yeah they're that brave - and dug up a dead woman to try and scare her family.
But no killings as far as I'm aware.

More sad stories from radical hikkikomoris.

[MOGS]

the ones doing the writing are just the ones spreading the meme.

it's the brutes they send out after they're done writing that you need to worry about